“They are all portraits…”

Swoon woodcut print and “papercut,” Mercer Street near Broome
Street in Soho.
“Grandfather”
on the right was Swoon’s first Papercut. November 27, 2003
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I met Swoon at a coffee shop on Seventh Avenue in Park Slope, Brooklyn.
She got the fancy coffee, it was green tea for me. I used my video camera
to record the audio for the interview, keeping the lens cap on. I started
by showing her some prints of my photos.

Detail - Man Sitting on Milk Crate - Soho, Manhattan. 11/2/03
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“That’s a woodblock print (above). See I was
just printing last night (shows the black ink staining around and under
her nails) I do a full size piece of plywood, 4 by 8. I carve it either
with an exacto to get the fine details or with a Dremmel. The Dremmel
because my hand and my whole wrist is getting really tired from all
the carving. I’ve been carving for years. Between the paper, the
wood and the linoleum.” (Links to linoleum
and woodcut
printing techniques, and Dremel
Tools)
Could you talk a bit about the printing process. I’m
imagining you walking around on top of the plywood to make the impression.
What sort of ink? Water or oil based.
“I use a huge roller, and etching ink (it’s oil
based but I just clean it up with olive oil) and spread a sheet of paper
on top then step on it a hundred times like mashing grapes or doing
the twist. Depending on the paper type wetting it first can be useful
for better saturation, contrary to what you would think with oil based
ink.”
You do all this in your apartment. How do you deal with this chaos
in your living space?
“My brother is visiting and he looked into my studio
today and said wow, you must be a very strong person mentally, and I
said why, and he said because if I had to deal with that mess you’ve
got in there (meaning a four foot stack of prints and then some) I would
just break down and lose my mind. So that’s what my house
looks like.”
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Friends and Family - Main Street in DUMBO. June 15, 2003. After being
clued to their location by this article
in the Village Voice, these delicate paper cut-outs are what first attracted
me to Swoon’s work. Click
the image to see full size. Click
here for earlier photo of the same wall on the toyshop collective website.
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Are they portraits?
“They are all portraits… This one is my grandfather. That was
the first of these I ever did.”
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Grandfather
In making these, Swoon cuts several layers of paper at once,
creating what I would call a very limited ‘print run.
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You call this paper cutting, carving?
“Because it’s with a knife, cutting out, the physical
process is like carving.”
“This and this. (The woodcut prints and the paper cutouts) Start out
looking really similar. I start out with a big messy charcoal drawing. And
then with the prints I stay a lot closer to the original drawing. And with
the cutouts I pare it down. Instead of keeping the line of the mouth I would
just cut out a little bit of it. So it’s like the same drawing but
rendered really differently.”
“It’s almost like the rules of the medium are what dictates
with this. With the cutouts I try to simplify it because it has to stay
within the paper, with the prints I keep it scribbly, because I can. Because
the cutouts have to stay in one piece, you have all these different physical
visual rules that you have to obey. Whereas with prints you can kind of
do whatever you want. Sometime limitation are good.”
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