I love this discussion (and the picture). I used to have a friend whose last name was Gates and she was a direct descendant of General Gates. I lost track of her but would love to find her again. Maybe amolho4 can find her for me.
And there are tons of roses right now in Tompkins Square Park, even in the dog run.
from google:
329: Rose Hill apartments. Rose Hill was the name of the estate of Horatio Gates, at what’s now 2nd Avenue and 21st. Gates was a Revolutionary general who won the Battle of Saratoga, arguably the most important battle of the war.
and
YOU will not find Rose Hill on your map of Manhattan. Nevertheless, it is the oddly incongruous name for the East Side area between Gramercy Park and Murray Hill, a faceless neighborhood so eager for an upgrade that it changed the designation of its major artery from Fourth Avenue to Park Avenue South.
That was almost 40 years ago, and it did little to lift the area out of obscurity. No matter what you called it, the avenue was just a route people took on their way to somewhere else. But somewhere else has crept closer over the last few years, as the fortunes of Chelsea and the Flatiron district improved. Every New York neighborhood eventually has its moment of glory, and it seems Rose Hill’s turn has finally come.
(ruth reichl 1998 ny times)
Ah,, I see your Google search brought you to one of my favorite sites for finding interesting bits of history about specific Manhattan addresses, NY Songlines:
home.nyc.rr.com/jkn/nysonglines/14st.htm#2av
I love that I casually type in the word research, and a member in good standing of the WWW community actually does it. Ain’t the Web a wonder?
Though I think Luna’s original question remains unanswered.
luna’s question is hard to answer but the roses in the area probably didn’t last much after horatio gates wife (mrs mary gates) bequeathed the rose hill estate’s farm utensils in her will when she died in 1810(?)
see her will:
books.google.com/books?id=NpO11jfCIL8C&pg=RA1-PA254&a…
also: particularly note that she was the first women in nyc to ride a horse in mens clothing.
its my pleasure (esp at work) and thanks for the good standing.
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I love this discussion (and the picture). I used to have a friend whose last name was Gates and she was a direct descendant of General Gates. I lost track of her but would love to find her again. Maybe amolho4 can find her for me.
And there are tons of roses right now in Tompkins Square Park, even in the dog run.
There ya go , a new quest!
Sweet new icon, , joujou.
bucolic! ha. wonder when there were last any roses growing on 14th street. . .
Hmm, this needs research. I don’t think roses were native to Mannahatta
from google:
329: Rose Hill apartments. Rose Hill was the name of the estate of Horatio Gates, at what’s now 2nd Avenue and 21st. Gates was a Revolutionary general who won the Battle of Saratoga, arguably the most important battle of the war.
and
YOU will not find Rose Hill on your map of Manhattan. Nevertheless, it is the oddly incongruous name for the East Side area between Gramercy Park and Murray Hill, a faceless neighborhood so eager for an upgrade that it changed the designation of its major artery from Fourth Avenue to Park Avenue South.
That was almost 40 years ago, and it did little to lift the area out of obscurity. No matter what you called it, the avenue was just a route people took on their way to somewhere else. But somewhere else has crept closer over the last few years, as the fortunes of Chelsea and the Flatiron district improved. Every New York neighborhood eventually has its moment of glory, and it seems Rose Hill’s turn has finally come.
(ruth reichl 1998 ny times)
Ah,, I see your Google search brought you to one of my favorite sites for finding interesting bits of history about specific Manhattan addresses, NY Songlines:
home.nyc.rr.com/jkn/nysonglines/14st.htm#2av
I love that I casually type in the word research, and a member in good standing of the WWW community actually does it. Ain’t the Web a wonder?
Though I think Luna’s original question remains unanswered.
luna’s question is hard to answer but the roses in the area probably didn’t last much after horatio gates wife (mrs mary gates) bequeathed the rose hill estate’s farm utensils in her will when she died in 1810(?)
see her will:
books.google.com/books?id=NpO11jfCIL8C&pg=RA1-PA254&a…
also: particularly note that she was the first women in nyc to ride a horse in mens clothing.
its my pleasure (esp at work) and thanks for the good standing.